Sunday, October 26, 2008

DIAL 999, 911 OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS....

This is very much an emergency.

Today's posting was supposed to be a nice cheery thing about Martin Stephenson in response to a nice e-mail sent to me with requests for a couple of songs. The piece has been written, but I'm afraid it has to go on ice for the time being so that I can add my tuppence worth to something that I find very sinister, worrying, frightening and downright disgusting.

I'll provide the appropriate links a bit further down, but let me try and sum things up.

Ed, who is responsible for the blog 17 Seconds recently had something very nasty happen to him in that one of his postings was taken down by Google without any advance warning. It seems that Columbia Records objected to something he had posted quite a few months back....

Ed's 'crime' was that he published an in-depth interview with the then relatively unknown Glasvegas and posted some mp3s of demos they had recorded. All of this was done with the full support and indeed encouragement of the band.

But now that the band have signed a substantial deal with a major record label - the aforementioned Columbia Records - it seems that the goalposts have shifted. Citing something called the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), the label have insisted that Google remove immediately Ed's piece on Glasvegas - which the search engine giant immediately did.

Now.....the thing is this was a piece that the mp3s had long since been removed, so no-one out there could actually get a hold of the demos even if they wanted. But what has now in fact been removed is Ed's interview with the band - something that I'm sure he spent days preparing for and hours putting together as a blog piece. In other words, something creative from his brain and fingertips.....

I am at a total loss as to why this is allowed to happen - there's been a fair bit of debate and conjecture over at Ed's place as well as within a posting that Matthew put up the following day at Song, By Toad (to say Matthew was raging at all of this is probably the understatement of the century....). But it seems Google feel they had no option but to comply with the DMCA notice served on them by Columbia - and yet their own code of conduct should have allowed Ed to explain himself and/or willingly take action to remove whatever it was the was offensive.

I've followed things over the past 24 hours and now to my horror, it turns out that another very worthy and long running blog - Teenage Kicks - has also had action taken against it under the DMCA nonsense. So much so, that Steve, the talent behind Teenage Kicks (which by its anem you should have worked out is a blog aligned to the work of John Peel) is likely to pack everything in.

The thing is, I dont blame him. Most bloggers share views, opinions and songs that they adore in the hope of bringing that music to the attention of a wider public. Most bloggers are first and foremost music fans who spend a great deal of cash keeping things going. As I've mentioned before, I spend £20-25 every four weeks on a file hosting service as well as the incalculable amount of cash on buying vinyl and CDs - most of which are of artistes and bands brought to my attention by other bloggers.

And of course if you dig a little deeper, you'll find its also happening elsewhere -for instance, Coxon from To Die By Your Side has also discovered that posts have gone missing. And there's loads of others going by some of the comments left behind in various places.

Ed's story is here

Matthew's rant is here

Steve's reaction is here

Coxon's tale is here

All of these are essential reading my friends.

In all cases there's been no reason given for taking this action against the bloggers other than Google or whichever host was reacting to a demand from a record label.

So....does that mean that record labels can now employ someone to surf the Internet using all sorts of search engines for the artistes/bands under their charge and send out orders demanding the removal of blog pieces that are critical?? Well, given they are prepared to remove fawning articles such as that of Ed's in respect of Glasvegas, it is a fairly likely scenario.

Some folk - and Ed in particular - have been quite restrained in their response to what has happened. I reckon that when, (not if, but when given how this has sprung up suddenly to so many others) this happens to me, I'll likely just shut this venture down.

But I will not go away.

My own idea, and this is one that came to me in a bit of an alcoholic stupor this afternoon after a football match, is that I will instead do everything by e-mail to subscribers (i.e. - instead of posting a piece here every day, I'll send it out with an e-mail with an mp3 attached to whoever wants it - free of charge).

In other words, I'll go underground, but I'll still carry on.

I'm ready to batten down the hatches........but I really hope it doesn't come to that.

mp3 : Jarvis - Running The World

Thank you for listening.

I really do hope you've all spent time reading those other posts.

37 comments:

barbelith said...

please excuse my language (and apologies to alan moore) but

who watches the fucking watchmen?

Agnes said...

It's a bloody outrage, that's for sure. To delete somebody's words without prior notification is disgusting. Top post JC - much more coherent than anything I could write right now. Will be following it all closely, let's hope this is the last of it.

Matthew said...

Please excuse my language too: fucking cunts, the lot of them. May they drown in a sea of their own fermenting jism.

Jonathan said...

I've been following some of this too and it is apalling

JC said...

It seems this is more widespread than I first thought.

Its turning into a hi-tech equivalent of throwing books on a bonfire......

Anonymous said...

It is all very worrying, some of us look forward to reading the blogs and comments and don't necessarily just to get free MP3s (although i do know some people who do exactly that) but to be informed of things we may have missed in the past or new bands that for some reason we haven't picked up on.
Rather than buying less music you buggers out there in blog land have been responsible for me spending a larger amount of my disposable income on music than before I stumbled upon your sites and i know that I won't be the only one.
As for Columbia, they can fuck right off, I am lucky enough to have all of Glasvegas's "product" up until now including the independent 7" singles but i will not be buying the Christmas album and will be searching it out via various torrent sites. As a single album it is only available as a ltd edition anyway, if you want it you will have to buy it as part of a repackage of the album, how is that for cynical exploitation, a repackaging four fucking months after the original release.
Please bloggers do not give up, some of us really look forward to reading your postings.
Drew

Ed said...

Thanks for the support JC and all.

Have been moments when I've felt like jacking in the blog, but that just means these evil sods would have won. As my Mrs. puts it 'Cutting off my nose to spite my face.'

I want an explanation, and I have decided that, damn it, i am going to fight back.

Ed

pebblesfromheaven said...

wow this is an unpleasant development for the world of blogging.

as for the future, may I suggest that you and your fellow bloogers save or copy each post to your own email, for future reference. I already do this because my paranoid self believes one day that all blogs may all be blitzed from existence, and that would be an incredible waste of energy ...

shudder ...

Anonymous said...

This is worrisome, I guess those guys in suits with legal credentials just don't get the math. These blog sites are free advertising for some bloody great music. I'm one of those old farts that have got back into a whole heck of a lot of great music over the last couple of years. I appreciate the bloggers commentary from great writers. I have bought more music in the last two years and seen more live music as a result of reading these blogs. In fact, if those guys were smart they’d be looking at some of the great back catalogues that are not available on the Internet and re-releasing the music and making some cash!

Ed said...

I would agree entirely, and given how cheap it is to put an album on iTunes (I know, I'm doing it for my own record company), it really doesn't take many sales.

We have never sought to exploit bands or deprive them of cash, rather to inspire others to get into them.

Tim Young said...

Thanks for bringing all this excellent commentary to my attention JC - I've been so stupidly busy at work over the last few weeks that I haven't had time to do much more that the podcast.

It frankly just makes me sad. Big record companies have done good things in the past by funding the production of some amazing music and filtering out the rubbish. They just don't realise that they just aren't needed anymore and the death throws are vicious and tragic in equal measure. Like everyone here I'll be continuing my opposition to this disgusting behaviour wherever and whenever I can.

JC said...

Really appreciate you leaving your views here Tim.

If they come after our postings and then our actual blogs, it wont be long before you start getting some nasty missives telling you to stop producing your weekly Contrast Podcast....

dickvandyke said...

pint .. anyone?

Davenelli said...

Excellent post (again) VV.

The fragmentation of the industry over the last five or so years has been incredible to watch and it seems that the last people to appreciate/value the work of dedicated music bloggers like yourself is the majors.

The cannot seem to grasp that the entire business model that they cling to is no longer relevant in the digital age.

Having recently launched an indie label we are very keen to utilise the online music community to promote our catalogue and will be happy to provide tracks for free download to push sales of other releases.

In this instance the move by the label seems particularly harsh and somewhat belated as the tracks in question have now been pulled. In addition the album in question (Glasvegas) debuted at No.2 in the charts and was kept of the top by Metallica's return to action.....this suggests that sales were in no way harmed by the posting of the demos.

Whilst I will defend the artist's right to payment for their work the facts of this case just do not stack up.

Chad said...

it happened to me, too, earlier this week. and like the other bloggers targeted, i'm thinking of packing it all in and shutting down. after more than three years of respectful blogging (without a single take down notice or request) all of the sudden my posts just vanish. it's hard to see the point of continuing in the face of that.

adam said...

One of the very many very annoying things about all of this is that there are fuck-loads of sites which give you whole album downloads with no thought or comment and a whole world or torrent/whatevers that do the same and IF the companies were desperate to find some work for some dead to the world clerk to do then they could send them off to file DMCA notices to those hosts and take out a genuine dam in their revenue stream instead of picking off little people in bits and pieces (I don't really think of you lot as 'little people' at all, certainly not metaphorically, this is all fucking huge, but you know what I mean).

Another last resort way forward is to lock up or sites but invite readers to sign up - if your blog is set to private then the feed is locked, tracks aren't picked up by the aggregators, you can go into settings and turn off 'list on google etc' as well, and then,well, we become a closed circle that nobody is ever likely to find and join, which is a terrible shame, but we can carry on doing what we do for each other without anyone officious sticking their fucking noses in. Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

So who's going to draft the letter to Fergal for everyone to sign?

a Tart said...

Ah JC, I heard you had something good to say on the matter and I've only just now got over here to read it. Well done, and thank you!

As I am saying everywhere I can, please do not give in to these capitalist forces. They are only doing what they were created to do, to protect and sell their product and Google is the same as all the rest, whatever their fucking manifesto or something says.

We, as human beings, conscious of our relationship to one another, and in tandem with our efforts to consolidate our love of community and literacy and emotion, and sensibility, and most importantly, our love of MUSIC, ... we know better than to believe for one second that these machines care about any of that.

We care about it all and THAT is enough to sustain our efforts, ... the knowledge that connecting with someone 5,000 miles away over a 20 year old Smiths song keeps me from completely losing it some days... that keeps me blogging. No, I won't give that up. And I will take away your beer and your footie if you do it either. xoxoox

(sorry but someone has to be the cheerleader/granny here)

anglopunk said...

This post has only confirmed my worries about the future of MP3 blogging these days. It has also prompted me to back up all my posts on my computer, so in the event that some record label bully decides to remove my intellectual property, I'll still have a copy. There shall be a post on this shortly.

And if we all have to end up going further underground to keep doing what we know is right, then so be it.

Helpless Dancer said...

I think I have been a target over the weekend as well.

On returning from a Scottish Cup trip to fraserburgh I discovered yesterdat that WordPress had frozen my account due to concerns about some content.

I was perplexed as to what content caused concern then I read this post and realised that on Thursday I posted a story on the river adjacent to where we live breaking it's banks nd causing flooding to nearby fields, I used this as an excuse to post Springsteen's "The River" the Columbia Records watchdog has obviously complained!

I have to say this is only the second time a record company has complained the last time it was my promotion of Cat Power's "Jukebox" album!

Simon said...

Having watched all of this, I'm sticking with my initial thoughts that we should all just carry on doing what we do. Obviously some blogs are more visible than others but there's no safety there.

They will crack down on things like this because it's easy for them to do. But they did that with the P2P music networks and lo and behold something else came along - torrents - that so far haven't been as easy to crush.

For me, if I couldn't post music I think after this time I'll still write about it. I realised this weekend that I don't actually download much music anymore from the blogs I read, the writing is what I keep coming back to. So I'll say here, as I said to Steve at Teenage Kicks, keep writing anybody that's considering giving up out of anger, because there are plenty of people appreciating the writing, who don't keep coming back simply because of free music.

JC's idea of creating some kind of email network is pretty good. Easy enough to hide what the files actually are in that instance too. Just in case....

My biggest problem with the company's attitude to music on the internet is more to do with the type of music that I'm interested in online: out of print/deleted records. I've gotten hold of a lot of stuff, and I try to post a lot of stuff, that you simply cannot buy anywhere. The companies are sitting on huge vaults of great music that I would buy if I could. But I can't so increasingly I'm reliant on either people selling on ebay for huge prices - none of which goes to the industry remember - or like minded souls posting online.

They're sitting on a goldmine and they're missing the opportunity. Talk about head in the sand.

Ed said...

...and have you now lost the Robert Palmer mp3 too?

JC said...

"and have you now lost the Robert Palmer mp3 too?"

Not yet...it went up yesterday by mistake!!! Should appear tomorrow or the day after.....

JC

Ed said...

phew! thought you were the laest victim!

Hooli said...

Yep.

Same happened to me.

Teenage Kicks???
Wonder if theres a link?

Simple fact is all they have to do is behave like adults.
I was once asked by someone, via my comments, to remove a number of links that he didn't like. All very gentlemanly and jolly sporting.
Stopped just short of hand shakes at the end.

All this pish about sending out e-mails, takedown notices and the DMCA is just going to piss people off more and more.

It's all been said already but, like you, I'm ready to find another way.


Hooli

alt-gramma said...

Hello, add Speed of Dark to the list of the wounded. It's getting longer all the time. I am among those who don't intend to give up. I'll tighten everything down--and move to self-hosting as soon as possible.

Natsthename said...

I, too, have had a post removed by Google (who owns blogger) just last week. Whoever objected didn't bother to email me and ask, which I would have done. No, they go right to friggin' Google. After that, they had my fileden account shut down (where I stored many types of files.)

They can all just kiss my ass.

Hooli said...

My last word on this is that I will prevail.
Please pass this on - I just found all my posts untouched and unaltered via Google Reader.
In case anyone is unfamiliar - open Google use the drop down on 'more' and select Reader.
In the reader homepage click add subscription and past the URL of your blog - bingo!

I didn't know this until someone told me - now at least I have the archive of my posts that I stupidly didn't keep before now.

Please pass on


Cheers

Hooli

JC said...

Hooli....

Thanks for passing by and thanks for the tip....

If I do ever lose anything....well I'm the sort of thrawn bastard who will just re-post it...again...and again...and again...

Cheers

Scott said...

Although not a blogger myself I fully understand and appreciate the time and effort that yourself and other bloggers put in to bring bands to people's attention and share completely the concern and anger at the actions of "the men in suits" who have seen fit to delete someone's words without any prior warning. I had lost a bit of interest in music a while back and it was through blogs like The VV and others that I regained my love of music and I now buy lots more albums after hearing a track on one of the many great blogs out there. Do they not realise you are giving their artists free advertising ? You cannot let these "suits" stop you as there are thousands of people out there who look forward to reading your posts and coming across songs they might otherwise not hear.

The Pop Cop said...

I've been watching developments with this Glasvegas story with interest. I've done up a post on The Pop Cop (http://thepopcop.blogspot.com) with my own take on it. Power to the people!

David Snusgrop said...

This is indeed a sorry state of affairs, and my heart goes out to every blogger affected by this.

I'm glad this hasn't happened to me... yet.

Anonymous said...

the theory of predators & schools of fish applies in this instance, there are too many fish in the sea to take you all out, please don't go private, else how would I ever stumble across all this great music, without googling a band's name, on a whim or from a blogger's aside.
thx to you all

Mona said...

Well I too have lost a couple of posts in the last couple of months ( and I only started the blog then.)
What worries me is that the first was a post about Ryan Adams with links to th=e archive.org and the second was a post on the anniversary of the death of a friend and I posted a link to get Little Feats bootleg Electrif Lycanthrop, which is how we met when he asked if I could get it when I had a stall in the Barras back in the 70's.
The link took you to the archive.org
All the stuff is legally downloadable.
How many posts do you get removed before they shut your blog?
Regards/

Anonymous said...

All of this is distressing. It's very short sighted of the labels. I'm friends with a bloke in a band that has been around for 20 years issuing indy label CDs, self released CDs as well as having an two releases on the same label as M Jackson. He is upset because those 2 albums are out of print, can not be reissued by the band and yet are not being made available on itu nes or any other download service. Even if the label thinks there would be little demand, what is the expense or downside for the label to make this stuff available for download? Total labor output would be, what, 5 minutes to rip and upload to itu nes? So his creative output is not available to folks who would like to hear it and the label is not making money from it (and neither is the band) and why not? He has said to me that just the exposure and it's effects on the bands current shows and recordings are all he's looking to get out of it, at this point years after their original release. Of course, he can not have his fingerprints on making the stuff available for DL no matter how much he'd like to see fans be able to get their hands (ears?) on it...which is where music bloggers come in...

JC said...

Hey there Anon.....drop me an e-mail if I can be of any help to your friend.....

JC

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